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Blaming and Excusing Britney
Written by Karen   
February 26, 2008
I seem to have spent many frustrating hours over the last few years trying to point out the sterility of the kind of attitude that makes people want to say "Stop making excuses for her", "It's her own fault", "She has to take responsibility for her actions" etc. etc.

 

The mindset that motivates people to make those kinds of remarks is an extremely depressing one because -

 

(i) it seems to arise from arrogance - the specific meaning of which, in this context, is a tendency to claim the right to make assumptions about OTHER people's states of consciousness and the deliberateness of their intent;

 

(ii) it seems to go along with a tendency to want to bully everyone else into sharing that mindset by calling them "retards", "deluded", "weak", "sheep" and "naive", accusing them of "making excuses" and so on... and to refuse to accept that anyone else's viewpoint is a valid one;

 

(iii) their position doesn't actually LEAD anywhere, except to a load of frequently baseless assumptions. Some people seem to have difficulty understanding this point, so let me explain. Once you have pointed your finger at someone and decided they're guilty of something ("it's her own fault" etc. etc.) you really don't have anything left to say because you've already acted as judge and jury and found the accused guilty of whatever it is you think he or she has done. The case is over. You've said all there is to say, apart from passing sentence;

 

(iv) people who think like this see EVERYTHING in terms of "guilt", "fault" and "who's to blame". It's a tabloid journalist's (or celebrity blogger's) mentality. The former editor of one of the UK's biggest-selling tabloids once articulated this activity as follows: "We give everybody somebody to hate every day". He seemed proud of it, but this encouragement of tabloid readers to make judgments on others has led to a cynical, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, "I would never do it" attitude. To me, the old "there but for the grace of God go I" attitude of humility seemed a lot healthier.

 

(v) the "guilt allegers" and "fault attributers" don't leave the discussion with anywhere to go. While most of the "retards", "sheep" and "deluded fans" are actually trying to find out what really happened and pick the bones of reality out of the morass of speculation, they're being lambasted by these judgmental bullies for "making excuses" and not rushing to judgment themselves.

 

But what's worse, the "judgmentalists", by their "she's to blame and that's all there is to say" attitude, also have the effect of distorting and inhibiting discussion of how their "blame figure" (in this case, Britney) should take positive steps to get herself OUT of the mess she's in. By insisting that "it's her own fault and she should take responsibility for her actions" they don't seem to be leaving her with many options other than to confess her guilt.

 

But THEN what? Their position seems to imply or assume that everything she has done has been done consciously, deliberately, and either maliciously, recklessly or irresponsibly. Society usually considers that when somebody has "fessed up" to a bunch of that, punishment is in order.

 

So is the problem for "judgmentalists", and the cause of their bitterness and frustration, their unease that Britney (or Jamie Lynn or whoever) has somehow managed to ESCAPE punishment and that the "retards", "sheep", "deluded fans" etc. etc. seem content to let her get away with it by "making excuses"?

 

The whole "judgmentalist" mode of argument seems to hang on the twin assumptions (whether conscious or unconscious) by the people who take that attitude that (i) THEY know what Britney (or whoever) is REALLY thinking and why she REALLY did what she did (and anyone who disagrees is deluded, dumb or insane - or all three); and (ii) that everything that's happened was because of her own deliberate choices.

 

The fact that she's turned out to be mentally ill has thrown some of them into disarray but the more determined "judgmentalists" are now trying to rewrite history. The latest twist is that the "retards", "sheep" and "deluded fans" didn't want Britney to get help. They wanted her to drive around Hollywood forever with Sam, Adnan, Alli and her 50 personal paparazzi. They didn't care if she never got her babies back. They didn't care if her career had hgone to hell. Apparently THEY were the ones who believed that she wasn't mentally ill.

 

Judgmental people seem to be an irony-free zone but to the rest of us it seems ironic that they've tried to hijack the very reason why the "retards", "sheep" and "deluded fans" were "making excuses" for her in the first place. Now it's not an "excuse" - it's an explanation. Ironic too that the entire judgmentalist case ("she's to blame" "it's her own fault" etc. etc. - remember?) has always been based on a firm belief that all of her actions were conscious, but reckless and irresponsible, and that's why she was fully liable for "blame".

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written by Stardom, February 28, 2008
Heh...looks like I'm REALLY bugging you on this one, huh? I've inspired, what, 2 blogs and an article so far? May be time to find a hobby...

Anyway, I'm gonna put this to you a different way, and I want you to really READ this and THINK about it.

Look back on EVERY article you've written on Spears - blogs, articles, in depths - the lot.

Now find me ONE quote where you've stated Britney was responsible for her own actions.

I'm not saying she is or isn't - I want you to find where YOU have stated it.

Chances are, you'll have a rather tough time.

THIS is what I, and the other "judgementalists (lmao)" get angry about.

That "not to knock Britney at all!" attitude. It's not a healthy way to view anyone and the ONLY reason you're doing it is because you believe, only from what you've heard, that she is a sweet, innocent, girl with a big heart and makes catchy songs.

There could be a million girls like Britney in the world. Divorced with kids, a bit mad, lost, confused, gone back to younger mentalities....but you don't worship them.

You don't dedicate websites to them and dedicate detailed articles into how they've changed you and how they warm your soul. Because you don't know them.

The reason you love Britney so much is because you know OF her. And now it's gotten to the stage where you think you really do know her more than anyone. More than she knows herself even!

For all we know Britney could be a cold, hard, forward biatch ala Madonna. She might be a fantastic actress.

The fact that you get outraged at those who believe she is a certain way is laughable especially when you're doing the same thing, only in a "nice" way. You still don't know her any more than I or anyone else does.

As I've picked up on her numerous times, you take ANY positive thing about her, even if it's from National Enquirer, as 100% fact.

I've never stated Britney was to blame for EVERYTHING that's happened to her.

But, from what I can tell, she was pretty damn stable right up until the divorce. If not, she hid it well (another point for the "good actress" theory).

For a while there, while hanging out with Hilton, everything seemed to glide along nicely and even though she was hanging with Paris, she still seemed happy and aware. Do you really want to try and convince me that she didn't know what she was doing hanging out with Paris Hilton? Doing guest spots on Letterman? Wearing low cut tops to show off her massive momma boobs?

Are you really going to try and convince me that Britney isn't somewhat addicted to her own attention and doesn't know how to get a crowd talking?

How oblivious can you be when you wear your old wedding dress out in public and continually flash the paparazzi (I'll note you never got back to me in the nudity thread when I gave you a link to all the flashes she's done after you seemed convinced there were only 3 instances...she's still doing it now...there were 2 last week).

Anyway, my point is this website has never held Britney responsible for anything she's ever done EVER. It'd be okay occasionally because everyone needs to catch a break every now and then. But all the time? Bad. Unhealthy. Untruthful. Naive.

Like I've said, even the crotch shots, where Britney left her own underwear at home, you still tried to say those shots were somehow "stolen" from her.

I don't doubt Britney isn't well in the head. Don't doubt it at all. I believe that her people around her probably taught her how to be controversial and now she's taken control of it but her mind has gone to mush. So we're stuck with an attention seeking semi-crazy "adult child" (her parents words, not mine) who won't go away even though the spotlight is what's sending her crazy.

A woman who sees nothing wrong with adopting British accents and abandoning underwear but still has the cheek to yell "get out of my face" to the paparazzi.

I ask you, do you ever consider the phrase "You get what you give"? Karma?
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written by Stardom, February 28, 2008
I also meant to express that I'm not holding Britney responsible for 99% of her actions once Sam came into her life. I do hold her responsible for letting him INTO her life and house so quickly. THAT'S a healthy, fair way of looking at the situation.
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written by Karen, March 02, 2008
Please don't flatter yourself into thinking this was written especially for you. It's a slightly adapted version of a reply I wrote to somebody on another forum. Somebody who agrees with me, by the way. I admit, though, that you do seem to be a particularly bullish representative of your school of thought.

I love the way you continually try to disparage ME, with your "get a hobby" jibes. I write something here when I have nothing else to do, which isn't very often and usually happens about 6 a.m. I have an extremely full and interesting life and this is one little part of it. As I've said before, judgmentalists are an irony-free zone but don't you think it's funny how you seem to find the time to write more here than I do?

I think you're getting mired in the detail of what Britney did or didn't do, and you continually try to pin so much on so little. Continually raking over the same old things, trying to build a case out of a few phrases snatched out of context. The blog above is not an invitation to another debate about the interpretation of history. It's a critique of a mentality, a mindset, an attitude. You display it constantly, whether in your remarks about Britney or about me.

I don't have any particular views about Britney as a person, as you seem to imagine. I defend her now, as I have defended her from the outset, as a paradigm of the modern celebrity under attack from all sides. I don't think she's an angel but I don't think she's a monster either. But in any case, why do you think it's impossible for me to have evidence that she's a nice person? You seem to forget that a lot of people who know her personally have spoken about her in public.

If I haven't said "She is responsible for her own actions" that is probably because I don't deal in blame, fault and responsibility. I'm not judgmental and I'm GLAD I'm not judgmental. I'm going to try to say this next thing in VERY simple language, since you seem incapable of taking it on board: I wrote the above blog for the specific purpose of explaining WHY I believe the judgmental attitude is wrong-headed, fruitless and a waste of time. So why would I adopt that attitude myself? Is that SO hard to understand?

This site has a mission statement which is very clear. We're here to CELEBRATE Britney. I know that's a hard concept for you to grasp since you'll immediately equate it with "worshipping the ground she walks on" etc. etc. It's a mode of mental activity you're probably unfamiliar with, but we're here for that purpose and we decided on it before the site was set up. We hoped that people who loved Britney in a non-judgmental way would enjoy the site and find things of interest here, or at the very least, things that articulated how they felt. There are plenty of sites that spend their time disparaging Britney so there's no need for us to do the same.

BTW, I don't believe in karma and I don't believe that you necessarily get what you give.
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written by Stardom, March 05, 2008
Once again avoiding 99% of the points I made to blab about how "judgemental" I am.

How can I get "mired" in the details of what did or didn't happen when there's pictorial evidence of everything I stated? Oh yeah, the camera made it up...it was photoshopped...the paparazzi STOLE the incident from her, right?

Anyway, you don't know anymore than me so stop acting like it. You can't tell someone they're getting mired in the details when you don't know any better either. Plus, you seem a little less informed than me at times - as evident in the nudity article, another one you've ignored.

I get that this site is to celebrate Britney - at least wait til she does something worth celebrating.

Or when she does, like her recent visitations, WRITE ABOUT IT. What's the point in "celebrating" Britney when you don't acknowledge the things worth celebrating.




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written by Karen, March 07, 2008
You're in a very weak position to complain about people avoiding points you made, since you invariably ignore just about everything I say. I try to answer you, but honestly, what's the point? I might as well talk to the wall. I specifically stated that what I wrote was not specifically about you, yet here you go again, ignoring what I said.

You seem to be unable to understand what I mean and you just try to bluster your way out of it. By "mired in the detail" I meant that you keep going back to one or two incidents in a desperate attempt to undermine almost any kind of commentary on her other than your own. And in this latest comment you're doing it again:

How can I get "mired" in the details of what did or didn't happen when there's pictorial evidence of everything I stated? Oh yeah, the camera made it up...it was photoshopped...the paparazzi STOLE the incident from her, right?


For goodness sake! Can we not please move on from the vagina shots? They seem to have scarred you for life. It would not make one damn iota of difference to what I'm saying if she was wearing a chastity belt or was completely naked.

I shall take a deep breath and try YET AGAIN. The blog was NOT ABOUT THE FACTS OF BRITNEY'S RECENT PAST. It was about WHAT JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE MAKE OUT OF THEM and the arrogant compulsion they have to treat anyone who doesn't agree as if they were idiots.

I didn't say one single word in the blog OR in my comment above that implied that I knew anything whatever about Britney's life, OR that I knew more than you. I honestly don't know where the hell you get that from - EXCEPT that you either don't bother reading what I write or can't understand it.
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written by Stardom, March 12, 2008
For goodness sake! Can we not please move on from the vagina shots? They seem to have scarred you for life. It would not make one damn iota of difference to what I'm saying if she was wearing a chastity belt or was completely naked.


Of course it scarred me, I'm a fan! As if I want to see her permanently damage her public image in THAT way. Of ALL the ways to fall from grace! People still haven't forgotten it, she's more known that Paris and Lindsay for doing it and they did it months before she did. I can't believe you're not concerned about something we're PERMANENTLY going to be reminded about for the remainder of her career. Seriously, the crotch shots were as big as any Rolling Stone cover she's done. It's just another case of Britney sheep downplaying the really damaging stuff. Oh, am I going to get deleted for saying the word "sheep" smilies/shocked.gif

You're in a very weak position to complain about people avoiding points you made, since you invariably ignore just about everything I say. I try to answer you, but honestly, what's the point? I might as well talk to the wall. I specifically stated that what I wrote was not specifically about you, yet here you go again, ignoring what I said.


Well, I don't even have enough room on this damn site to quote everything you say nor do I have the time. I quote you a hell of a lot more than you quote me though.

You seem to be unable to understand what I mean and you just try to bluster your way out of it. By "mired in the detail" I meant that you keep going back to one or two incidents in a desperate attempt to undermine almost any kind of commentary on her other than your own. And in this latest comment you're doing it again:


You said I'm getting mixed up with the things Britney did and didn't do. I never even spoke about anything Britney didn't do, which is what I was trying to explain. I don't come on here saying how it's so bad she's pregnant to Adnan because I know she's not. I know the difference between what's fake and real in the media but YOU seem to want to deny it or downplay it all.

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written by Karen, March 12, 2008
So far you haven't been deleted for anything, which shows how open-minded and tolerant I am. The fact that you thought I might censor you is just more proof of how little you know or understand about me.

"Waits for automated response" huh? Well then it must be a dialog between machines because you keep parrotting the same ideas and phrases endlessly.

Quoting a few carefully selected sentences out of all that I've said and ignoring the ones you can't deal with is not the same as answering the arguments I've made, or showing that you've grasped the central thrust of what I've been saying.

As a young trade union negotiator I was always taught "Don't fight on your opponent's ground, fight on your own ground" because that takes the negotiation forward, whereas trying to pick little holes in what somebody else has said just leads to bickering and stops the negotiation from getting anywhere. I have tried ENDLESSLY, and in many different ways, to move the discussion forward, but you can't seem to step out of your incredibly narrow comfort zone.

It seems that your comfort zone consists of repeating the ever-diminishing list of negative things about Britney that you think you KNOW are true, and ridiculing anybody who doesn't join you in the Blame Game. You used to think you knew that Britney wasn't mentally ill, just an irresponsible girl who couldn't be bothered trying to get her babies back, preferred to drive her car and drink coffee, and just needed to be confronted with her "crimes" so she could accept responsibility for them and everything would then be OK. NOW the only negative thing you think you know is that she "flashed her vagina". But all you ACTUALLY know is that paparazzi managed to photograph her vagina. You DON'T know that she wanted them to. Even your multiple links to more (alleged, in some cases) photographs of her vagina don't prove that she INTENDED it to be photographed. That's just an assumption, and let's not forget she IS mentally ill. Judgmentalists seem to have forgotten that it was widely believed she had Post Partum Depression - which is an extremely serious illness - long before any talk of Bipolar Disorder started up.

I don't share your pessimism that her vagina pix will haunt her career forever. With Britney there has always been plenty to talk about and I'm confident that this incident, along with the head-shaving, will be seen by future commentators and biographers as no more than symptomatic of her period of mental illness and the odd behavior that flowed from it.

Finally, this "sheep" business is becoming tiresome. I may be inclined to defend Britney more than attack her, but It does not automatically follow that I'm educationally subnormal. It also does not follow that I "love everything she does", "salivate over her", "worship the ground she walks on", "ejaculate over her picture" or any of the other remarks people like you insist on using to try to suggest that anyone who disagrees with you has to be either stupid or insane - or both.

You're as much a "sheep" as anyone else since you haven't managed to come up with an original thought or novel idea in all the comments you've made. Your "judgmentalist" stance isn't a sign of higher intelligence. It's a sign of poorly developed "Emotional Intelligence" (look it up if you want to know more about it) and in a few more years - with a bit of luck - you'll look back at your 2007-8 self with some embarrassment.

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written by Stardom, March 13, 2008
So far you haven't been deleted for anything, which shows how open-minded and tolerant I am. The fact that you thought I might censor you is just more proof of how little you know or understand about me.


...even though you specifically said you'd delete my comments if I said a certain word once more...

Quoting a few carefully selected sentences out of all that I've said and ignoring the ones you can't deal with is not the same as answering the arguments I've made, or showing that you've grasped the central thrust of what I've been saying.


Well, like I said, increase the damn word limit and I might be able to quote everything.

OK. NOW the only negative thing you think you know is that she "flashed her vagina". But all you ACTUALLY know is that paparazzi managed to photograph her vagina. You DON'T know that she wanted them to. Even your multiple links to more (alleged, in some cases) photographs of her vagina don't prove that she INTENDED it to be photographed.


This is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. You do recall she was with the person who started the whole crotch trend, Paris Hilton? Isn't it funny that Britney managed to keep herself covered up until she hung out with Paris for a few weeks.

*waits for another automated "omg get over it, they STOLE the shots!" response*

I don't share your pessimism that her vagina pix will haunt her career forever. With Britney there has always been plenty to talk about and I'm confident that this incident, along with the head-shaving, will be seen by future commentators and biographers as no more than symptomatic of her period of mental illness and the odd behavior that flowed from it.


By commentators and biographers yes, not by the general (buying) public though. Check any message board, even BB, it's constantly brought up.

Finally, this "sheep" business is becoming tiresome. I may be inclined to defend Britney more than attack her, but It does not automatically follow that I'm educationally subnormal. It also does not follow that I "love everything she does", "salivate over her", "worship the ground she walks on", "ejaculate over her picture" or any of the other remarks people like you insist on using to try to suggest that anyone who disagrees with you has to be either stupid or insane - or both.


And look at the way YOU'RE reacting to someone disagreeing with you and Britney. I mean really, you couldn't just get over it and realise that some things Britney does cause people to get a little mad because there's no rhyme or reason to them?

You're as much a "sheep" as anyone else since you haven't managed to come up with an original thought or novel idea in all the comments you've made. Your "judgmentalist" stance isn't a sign of higher intelligence. It's a sign of poorly developed "Emotional Intelligence" (look it up if you want to know more about it) and in a few more years - with a bit of luck - you'll look back at your 2007-8 self with some embarrassment.


Hehe, yeah, whatever you say. I always stand by what I say and to me the "judgementalists" reactions to Britney's behaviour MATCH her behaviour. Out there, crazy, irrational behaviour warrants the same response. And don't go into all the Sam was drugging her shit...she was going crazy before that.

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