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Britney's Fans
Written by Karen   
January 20, 2008
I don’t even know why I’m writing this article, or why I’m still planning to write more. When I became fascinated by Britney Spears and began to write about her, most of the fans I encountered received the resulting articles with interest and gratitude. This is no longer the case, and the reason is both simple and sad. It appears that the fashionable response now to an article that tries to deal with the subject of Britney in a reasonably sympathetic (or even-handed) way is to laugh at it and sneer at the author.

 

Old-school fans like me thought it was our job to defend our idol against attack, try to see the good side of things, cut her plenty of slack and always look for a way forward out of any difficulty. But now we’re living in a particularly sanctimonious “blame culture” and genuine attempts to find explanations for Britney’s odd behavior are almost invariably described as “excuses” by people I call “Judgmentalists”. These people keep reminding us that every drama or debacle is “her own fault”.

 

I often wonder what is the point of this remark. It’s a comment that cries out for a “So?!” So what? So we shouldn’t feel sorry for her? So we shouldn’t “make excuses”? I often find that, when challenged, the “it’s her own fault” brigade explain that SHE shouldn’t make excuses. I find that baffling, because she hardly ever says anything in public that relates to the controversial events in her life. On one or two occasions in the past she has blamed the paparazzi for certain specific intrusions, but generally she seems more than tolerant of them.

 

One thing is unarguable, though. This is a critical time for the Fan Community. Britney’s year of horrors and her grim New Year surprise have brought out the best and the worst in people. TMZ’s Harvey Levin showed some unexpected compassion when he said “We made a living off of Britney Spears, and we did it frankly when she was just fun and wacky. For several years now, we've put her on the site everyday, she's been great for traffic... Have we crossed the line, I don't know. My feeling about it is it all changed when it stopped being funny and we started realizing she's got a bipolar problem.”

 

On the other hand we have the loathsome Perez Hilton, who has no qualms or reservations about showing how much he hates her and wants her to die. As I write, he’s taking bets on when she’ll commit suicide. Any culture that accommodates, tolerates, encourages and even welcomes the likes of this sorry excuse for a human being is in danger of slipping into a very deep and dark abyss. And he is by no means alone. There have been any number of other public utterances by venomous individuals who attempt to disguise their hatred of Britney as concern for her childen.

 

This is one of the moments when civil society stands at a crossroads. It can choose sympathy and compassion, or cynical brutalism. We have, being played out in front of us, a modern morality play, and everybody wants to be a critic. It’s a sad characteristic of present-day attitudes that so many people seem unable to lay down their critical instincts for long enough to recognise a modern parable with the power to teach us a lesson about ourselves and the harsh, flippant, uncharitable world we live in.

 

Queen Latifah, real name Dana Owens, said she wasn't surprised that so many celebrities were offering Britney help, even if other people appeared to be chiding and poking fun. She said, "A lot of us can relate to each other. Look how many people just want to take Britney home and give her a place to sleep and rest and talk her down. Everybody wants to help this girl... We understand the pressures we deal with and realise that underneath all that star stuff we're normal people with normal problems. We'd rather support each other than tear each other down."

 

And the chiding, poking fun and tearing down has reached epidemic proportions. For every couple of straightforward fans who declare their undying love for Britney, there are ten who appear to have issues with every aspect of her life, her person or her looks, for one reason or another, and are determined to say so stridently and on as many occasions as they can find.

 

Conflicting attitudes are now the most obvious characteristic of the Fan Community. One fan I’d been fighting with over his crass, stupid and sexist remarks about Britney’s appearance suddenly turned out to have her wellbeing at heart above all else. Another who had spent the last few months raining sanctimonious judgments on her head sent me a kind and thoughtful message saying how worried she was and expressing her concern for how all of this was affecting me.

 

But on the other hand, even this desperate situation has not prevented some fans from continuing their daily excoriation. “Dumb ignorant bitch” was one young man’s reflection on her failure to have herself committed to a mental institution. “She looks like a pig” - that was another gallant young gentleman commenting on the news that she had topped Hello mag’s poll for Most Attractive Female. It would appear that her fans are rather less fanatical than those of most artists.

 

I’m basing this article primarily on the attitudes and positions displayed by members of Britney forums or message boards. People who post on her forums are immersed in the minutiae of her life, have access to any information and rumors, and have many ways of telling what’s true from what isn’t; and if even THEY begin to become part-time haters or, at the very least, equivocal in their support for Britney, it’s not hard to imagine how fans who rely on TV and the tabloids for information must feel.

 

Members of fan forums are wont to plead that “she will never visit these boards” and therefore won’t see the harsh and unforgiving remarks directed at her. This is a transparent abrogation of personal responsibility for any part of the current fashion for snidery and cynicism, yet people on every fan forum are probably saying the same thing and either assuming or hoping she won’t visit. But those who accept the climate of thoughtless knee-jerk sourness are helping to make it the predominant mindset.

 

What they don’t seem to realise is that they are a representative cross-section of the global Fan Community, and if their response to a hypothetical meeting with Britney would be to inform her that she’s a “freaking joke”, it’s fair to assume that there are others who feel the same. And if a LOT of people are saying this kind of thing, word might just get back to her and it will hardly encourage her to throw herself back into her career - which is what the complainants appear to desire more than anything else.

 

Among fans of this kind, there’s very little understanding of, or sympathy for, her apparent psychological problems. They regard her as public property, and see claims that she suffers from serious medical conditions such as PPD and bipolar disorder as excuses for failing to perform her designated role. Their advice to her consists of little more than “sort yourself out” and “take responsibility for your actions”. And meanwhile, they indulge in their daily chant of “she’s a f@cking mess” as if this unholy incantation could somehow drive her demons away.

 

Fans may now be praying “Please, Lord, give us our old Britney back” but it would be wrong to believe that their ambivalence is a new phenomenon. I’m beginning to wonder if there was ever a time when they were completely behind her. I first started posting at the dear old WoB forum out of shock and dismay at the gloomy atmosphere of disapproval, hyper-criticism, disillusionment and jaded nostalgia that existed there. And it wasn’t only at WoB - my sister joined Britneyboards to combat the same attitudes.

 

While talking to Sitemeister Jason a while back, I offered the suggestion that the fans of certain artists are very different from one another. Christina Aguilera’s fans, for example, seem to bask in a kind of reflected glory. It’s like owning a Rottweiler - ownership somehow confers on you the power, the feeling of superiority and the useful weaponry of that massive bark and those sharp little teeth. Britney Spears’ fans are different. For them it’s like owning a 3-legged alpaca. You’re constantly having to explain how it got that way, why you like it, and what it’s good for. But damn, you love that alpaca and you know it’s only tasteless thugs who love Rottweilers.

 

Being a Britney fan wasn’t always such a defensive exercise. A few years ago, she was all but a household name for being the biggest star out there and famous for her legendary live performances. I can assure you that this is not a fanciful statement - back when the UK government was trying to sell the redundant Millennium Dome as a massive concert venue, it was suggested that it would take someone of the magnitude of Britney Spears to fill the place.

 

Love of Britney now may well be the new “love that dare not speak its name” but back then, there were no obvious reasons for her fans to torment themselves over their choice of idol. We agonised a lot over the issue of her lip-synching her live shows. There used to be a fair amount of debate about whether she could sing or not, and about how much plastic surgery she’d had. But at least she was universally agreed to be beautiful, incomparably sexy, an amazing dancer, the maker of the best pop videos, and a throughly nice, sweet, grounded and good person.

 

As a young apprentice forum user, I had just started taking notice of my boyfriend’s favorite site - the SBUK Britney Spears Forum, one of the many refuges for people displaced by the untimely closure of the old DotForums. And on this site, a member called “MelissaWilliamsFan” had just created a thread called “100 reasons why you love Britney”. This small community of online fans had no problem at all in thinking of a hundred reasons. I wonder how many the typical gathering of fans could think of now? Looking around the internet, it seems that her fanbase has fragmented into many pieces, all with their different attitudes and agendas.

 

It comes as something of a shock to realise how true it is that love and hate are two sides of the same coin, for many of her fans now seem bitterly disillusioned and can find very little that’s good or positive to say about her. Maybe it’s part of growing up. Britney brought most of her fans with her when she made the transition to a more adult style of music in 2003-4, but since then, a fair proportion of the mid-teenage ones have become young adults.

 

One of the first merit badges of adulthood is to develop what’s sometimes called a “healthy cynicism” about the world you experience, or have experienced. There’s a “putting away of childish things” and a general rejection of everything associated with childhood and parental control. Everything is subjected to a whole set of searing new value judgments and doubts. And when flaws or traces of fakeness are found, a profoundly negative reaction is sure to follow.

 

So at the extreme end of the spectrum we have the people who feel that in being Britney fans, they were somehow duped by a huge corporate conspiracy encompassing her record label, her management, her PR people, the radio and TV networks, magazine publishers, concert promoters and just about everyone else who could fit their snout in the trough. NOW they see the truth. NOW they can see that she’s basically just a lightweight plaything for kiddies - which THEY no longer are.

 

Indeed, in their search for genuineness and rock-solidvalues, they may come to perceive her as little more than a fairly talentless confidence trickster, trading on nudity and blatant sexuality to fleece the gullible - while, despite the endless Pop Idol production line in competent live vocalists, the stand-at-the-mic-and-deliver-live-vocals singers like Kelly Clarkson and Avril Lavigne are now supposedly the real deal.

 

This idea that her typical “diehard fan” is so genitally led that all critical faculties are bypassed is a curious one, since music trade demographic surveys of her fanbase show that her audience is predominantly composed of straight females and gay males - exactly the kinds of people who should in theory have no interest in her sexuality whatsoever. What these two groups of people DO have in common is their interest in celebrities and fame - the glamor, the costumes, the drama, the falls from grace and the redemptions, the disasters and triumphs, the crashes and burns and the arisings from the ashes. These are the elements in the great Greek Tragedy of human existence and nobody should be ashamed about being absorbed by them.

 

Needless to say, there’s a downside to this “human interest” angle too. The interest in celebrities is not necessarily characterised by either affection or admiration and one of the least admirable human traits is regularly on display in celebrity magazines and on celebrity blog sites - the enjoyment of others’ misfortunes, the satisfaction in seeing the rich-and-famous “get what they deserve”, the opportunity to wag some finger and act all superior, to say that Britney is a bad mother and deserved to lose her babies. You may wonder why I even mention people with these attitudes in an article on fans. But, believe me, this distasteful agenda is right there on most Britney fan-forums, and the people driving it are incensed if anyone should question their fan credentials.

 

Of course, for many straight female fans, there are genuine - if inchoate - kindred feelings for Britney Spears that go a lot deeper than “She’s a star but I’m better than her”. In Britney they saw, maybe not a role-model, but certainly a paradigm. Here was someone who came from the unlikeliest of backgrounds to make her dreams come true, who made a fortune while remaining real, a genuine, flawed, anxious, desperate, self-abusing, boundary-pushing, man-seeking dreamer - and rather than criticize, we loved her for being just like the rest of us.

 

I believe that most of us are still fascinated by Britney’s complex and seemingly unending rites of passage. A lot of the fans she still has are people who’ve decided to stick around and see if the fairy tale eventually comes true. But it’s difficult to assess how much real sympathy there is for her. After each of her crazier episodes there are a few days when people ruminate on how insane she is, express their hopes that she will soon be committed to a mental hospital, and appear for a time to allow some compassion to flow through their veins. But after those few days the consensus feeling reverts to the comfort zone of criticism, blaming and fault-attribution.

 

Clearly nobody is jealous of her any more, no matter how much money she may have. There’s an eagerness to hear any scaps of good news about her, and delight when any such scaps are offered, so it seems that the majority still wish her well. I think the source of the negativity is probably something pretty crude and simple. A fair number of people - to put it bluntly - hate to see someone who’s been given everything apparently just pissing it away.

 

Be that as it may. I was in a farm supplies depot with my dad the morning after the news came through that Princess Diana had died. Everyone, from hard-headed salesmen to muddy-booted farmers, was silent and teary-eyed. Obviously nobody there knew Diana and their grief wasn’t over a personal bereavement. What we were all mourning was not just the death of a person - we didn’t really know her and reports of her personality were contradictory.

 

We were mourning the death of a dream, of a fairy tale. We were beginning to realise that fairy tales really are nothing but fiction and dreams really don’t come true. The more cynical elements in the media lambasted the public for their “hysterical” outpouring of emotion, but I was proud of that public for putting their customary phlegmatic character to one side and showing that they still had enough softness to recognise the meaning of tragedy and didn’t need to be told when it was OK to cry.

 

I wish more of Britney’s fans could show the same softness and find some mercy, tolerance and compassion in their hearts while we’re still lucky enough to have her.

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written by thisbeatishot, January 21, 2008
Sometimes I feel that I've completely lost faith in B-girl but after one storm, I realize that I'll always stick with her as a fan. I mean man I can't get enough of her new album and no crappy VMA performance is going to affect that. Even with the turbulence of her life right now I still think she'll get past her issues....sooner or later. I doubt her fanbase has turned their back on her at all even after each disappointment. I think maybe we just want a good comeback story.
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written by Karen, January 21, 2008
Thanks for commenting. I hope you're right! As I said, I do think people are eager for good news stories about Britney and that (in general) people wish her well.
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written by Stardom, January 21, 2008
A fair number of people - to put it bluntly - hate to see someone who’s been given everything apparently just pissing it away.


That's it in a nutshell. And not just money and fame - kids too.

It's a TOUGH job being a Britney fan.

While other fans of artists who kept it together get to bask in the glory of their Star, we, as you said, have to keep trying to find ways to explain why in the world we bought a 3 legged alpaca.

Especially one who can't keep her underwear on, can't keep a man, can't keep her own damn KIDS! It gets annoying when someone who has the entire entertainment world offering help can't even pick themselves up and get their act together for her own babies.

As for fans not giving sufficient advice - well most of them are around 16-18 - not exactly trained psychologists designed to give advice.

Every SINGLE fan that's still around on fansites and the like still love Britney deep down. You don't spend time on forums for people you don't like. I don't join any Christina forums because I hate her. All fans are still fans but damn we've been thrown in the trash and left for dead so many times now it's hard not to feel anger when Britney falls AGAIN. I mean, really, a girl who's been dancing for her entire life can't get it together for a month or so to rehearse a good routine and look nice at the VMAs? And if she's not mentally ready...why do it?

A fans love for Britney is conflicting, but so is Britney's love for herself.
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written by ~Roxie~, January 22, 2008
Karen, that was simply the best and most touching article you've EVER written!

As you can probably guess, I've wondered myself why I'm still writing about Britney....though in truth, I haven't posted an article in a LONG while...so I could completely relate to what you meant from the first line of your post. It's been hard to watch Britney struggle, and it's been harder to see how unfeeling society and her legions of "loyal fans" have been. I'm over the "She's so stupid" "She deserves this" "She's the only one to blame" arguments. Call me a bleeding heart liberalist, but no-one can make me believe that anyone WANTS, ASKS for the drama and pain of a Britney Spears life, not even in the name of misplaced adolescent rebellion.

Keep writing Karen, there's still a few of us left who love and appreciate your articles and have learned to balance our disappointments with Britney with a realistic outlook on life. Btw, that Christina-Britney fan comparison was hilarious!! And even more so, for being spot-on true!! But this alpaca lover loves her three-legged baby, and is hanging in there!! smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Stardom, January 23, 2008
Britney's a total idiot for letting Adnan back into her life. The fucker has already sold her out but hey, if Britney needs a cock, Britney NEEDS a cock! Because she's too stupid and insecure to just be on her own and deal with the consequences of her actions. She needs some pap dude with no money to tell her she's doing everything right and hey lets get married while we're at it and pretend we're pregnant YAY!11111!!!!

I don't buy any of the mentally ill bullshit anymore. She knows EXACTLY what she's doing.

You don't flash a pregnancy test, your vagina, your pap boyfriend and your old wedding dress at the paparazzi when you're mentally ill.

If her behaviour was beyond her control she wouldn't even be thinking about doing this kind of attention seeking bullshit.

"Mentally ill" is just another lame excuse for fantards to latch onto every time she does something worth never supporting her again for.

She gets way more support than she deserves today and rightfully enough hate. Someone as bratty and selfish as her shouldn't even HAVE fans right now. Not until she tries hard again. All this "omg like i have to shop 6 times a day and get ma starbucks while speaking in my cutesy british accent lalalal" bullcrap.

She's a moron. A spoilt, selfish, bitchy, diva with fans blinded by that shining star - just like the Lucky video.
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written by Karen, January 23, 2008
I don't think it was her fans, deluded as they may be, who concocted the stories that she was bipolar, neurotic, psychotic, suicidal and suffering from a multiple-personality disorder. I think you'll find it was the media, acting on the technical advice of various psychologists and psychiatrists . And if you think the media were trying to find excuses for her you must be crazy.

Also, do you doubt that Commissoner Scott Gordon is seeking to have her psychologcally evaluated? I think Mark Vincent Kaplan has pretty much confirmed it. Why do you think it would even occur to him to want to do that? Hmmm?

It's now been proven that she's clear of alcohol and drugs - which was supposed to be the reason why she lost custody. Yet right now she doesn't even have visitation rights. Why do you think that is? Do you seriously think the legal system exists to prevent "spoilt, selfish, bitchy divas" from seeing their kids??!!

Come on, I can see you're mad but get a grip.
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written by Stardom, January 25, 2008
The media and the pictures taken have suggested a kind of mental disorder and now fans are clinging to that whenever she does anything stupid.

She steals a lighter >>> SHES MENTALLY ILL!

She dates a paparazzo >> SHES MENTALLY ILL WHO CARES!!

She goes to a pet store or church instead of fighting for her kids >>> SHES MENTALLY ILL!!! LET HER BUY MORE ANIMALS TO HARM!!!

But THEN when she gets strapped down and taken to hospital after a four hour ordeal..the sheep retract and say......."uh...wellll...uh...GET HELP BRIT BUT SHEEES NOT MENTALLY ILL OR ANYTHING! ITS THE MEDIA! FUCK PEREZ AND THE PAPS!"

Inconsistencies abound in Britney Fan Land. Anything to keep worshipping someone who deserves to lose her fans years ago.

I don't recall "drugs and alcohol" ever being the only reason to take custody away. It doesn't matter if she was clear of those things, she's still mentally retarded.

And in all your furor at her being banned from her kids you're failing to notice that Your Queen Of The World herself is the one failing to turn up to court every day. SHE'S turning away from the chance to have even SOME custody back.

She even turned away from an emergency hearing SHE called herself!

And you STILL defend this woman?

You're crazy.
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written by Karen, January 26, 2008
Simply contradicting what I say isn't the most convincing form of argument and you seem to want to have it both ways. Who are you criticizing, Britney or the fans? Obviously both, because you're above all of this and are so much smarter and wiser than anybody else. There's probably a syndrome to describe that delusion, by the way.

But anyway, you're descending into inconsistency. One minute you're saying that the fans have seized upon a convenient explanation for everything ("She's mentally ill, etc. etc.") but then you say they haven't. Could this be because they're searching for an explanation from one day to the next and aren't as closed-minded as you think?

Or could it be that you're guilty of tarring all her fans with the same brush? I think you'll find that plenty of them have retreated into their comfort zone of calling her ignorant, dumb, "retarded", irresponsible, etc. etc. That attitude was fully covered in the article, and I will take this opportunity to remind you that comments here are supposed to be about the article.

I don't mind negative critiques about anything I write, and I welcome detailed analysis, but if you're going to ignore the article completely and start making abusive comments based on your assumptions about me, you'll find that such comments will not be tolerated.

You're clearly a "judgmentalist" of the worst kind. All you have in your head are accusations, blame, finger-pointing and name-calling. But where the hell do you go from here? She can't and shouldn't be defended so - WHAT?! I always try to look for something a person can do to fix a bad situation. I don't just sit here and say it can't be fixed like you apparently do. And I don't see why trying to look for the good in any situation, and sorting out the malicious and mendacious crap, are signs of being crazy.

You may wish to note reports that she has recently visited a psychiatrist.
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written by Stardom, January 27, 2008
*sigh*

Obviously both, because you're above all of this and are so much smarter and wiser than anybody else. There's probably a syndrome to describe that delusion, by the way.


I guess I've been spending too much time reading your articles then.

Again, you completely avoided the part where I stated how she's not even trying to win her own children back but is happy to go out and drink with Adnan til all hours of the night.

She also seems content with Adnan revealing all this private info about her like phone messages, photos and whether or not their relationship is sexual. Is that really what Britney has come to? Promo for her album is her paparazzo boyfriend selling her out with HER permission? Wow.

Oh, but just ignore all that meanie stuff I wrote about The Queen because it's so hurtful and Britney's a sweet girl apparently!

I never said the fans are holding onto an explanation but they also aren't. I said they love to blurt out with "she's mentally ill!" whenever she does something bad but then when it's PROVEN she IS mentally ill and the entire world believes it, they backtrack in order to keep defending her and say "she was probably just angry! she neeeeeds her kids! Fuck kevin!"

And for your information, the majority of Britney fans, the fantards, don't even believe she HAS any kind of problems. They see one picture of her smiling and say "SEE! She's happy! Love her!" then she'll go shave her head the same night or lose her mind.

All you have in your head are accusations, blame, finger-pointing and name-calling.


Why does Britney deserve any better? Why do the fans who somehow find a way to defend this woman deserve any better? This woman won't even FIGHT for her children! She's fallen so low, people prefer fucking Kevin Federline to her now! And she's not even doing anything to prove "Hey, back up, I'm NOT trash, stop treating me like it!" she just keeps courting the paparazzi, fuckin' a paparazzo and generally blundering through life (in torn fishnets) one starbucks trip at at time. THAT is not a person who deserves praise and defending. She needs some TOUGH LOVE. But as long as she and her fans keep living in 2001, putting "Overprotected" on full blast and pretending like that's still who Britney is today, she won't change.

I never said it couldn't be fixed. Her life would be the easiest thing in the world to fix! I could go in for a week and at the end of those 7 days have Britney back to "normal" with Sean and Jayden happily playing in their play room. But she doesn't want that.

And sometimes, there isn't any good in a situation. It just makes you look dumb and like a retarded fan who will stoop to any level to defend a woman who just does not deserve it right now.

I defended Britney until I couldn't any more. I gave her SO many chances in my eyes. She dashed every one of them and now that she won't even fight for the right to be with her babies, fine. Fuck her.

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written by Stardom, January 27, 2008
Oh and I also see you're happy to believe "reports" Britney has seen a psychiatrist.

Another classic fantard move - don't believe anything negative written but believe everything positive written.
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written by Karen, January 28, 2008
Clearly you are unable to distinguish between excuses and explanations. It is, believe it or not, possible for fans to realise that Britney has done something they think is unwise or stupid and think "WHY, Britney? WHY??!!" then go searching for explanations. With normal people that's a normal reaction. It's only in the minds of people obsessed with passing judgment that every attempt at an explanation becomes an "excuse". It never fails to amaze me that people like you assume that anyone who wants to know what the hell is going on with her is automatically defending her.

So it's better and wiser and more mature to ignore all the evidence and say "She's an adult, everything that happens to her is her fault, she doesn't have any mental abnormalities, she's just an attention seeking whore who can't be bothered getting her kids back"? Maybe you've had an irony by-pass but that is just as much of a remote-control bar-room psychological evaluation by someone "who has not treated her" as anything Dr Lillian Glass has come up with.

You think you've had some kind of epiphany and now you can see the truth? Spare me. You don't have any greater knowledge or more accurate insights into how Britney's mind works than anybody else, and your arrogance in thinking your "tough love" can fix somebody you've never even spoken to is nauseating. Your analysis of the situation is on the same intellectual level as a tabloid gossip columnist or Perez himself. Superficial. Bitter. Spiteful. Twisted.

By the way, if there are any further references to "fantards" your comments will be deleted.
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written by Stardom, January 28, 2008
I see I've hit a nerve. Funny stuff.

I love how you're acting like I have no right to be saying what I'm saying (negative opinions SUCK!), when the majority of your blogs are full of presuming, speculation and guesswork - all positive of course, because Britney's never done anything wrong, right?

Obviously, you don't visit Britney Boards a lot so therefore you don't SEE or experience the fans/sheep and the extent they'll go to to defend this woman.

When she stole a lighter, the sheep were saying how bad ass and cool it was and that it made them "love her even more".

Once, she missed out on top spot on TRL and a sheep posted a thread screaming at the boards about how it was our fault for not voting enough and that he was disgusted with us then promptly left the boards.

She gets her kids rightfully taken away from her and all the sheep can come up with is..."omg i hate kevin she needs her kids".

Sheep, you included, will never EVER blame Britney for any of her actions. Even now "mentally ill" is taking over as the #1 excuse for all the crazy shit she does.

Don't tell me I'm getting it wrong when I'm the one who's on those boards every few days seeing first hand the mindless support she gets and every little petty excuse made for an irresponsible 26 year old grown mother of two.

So it's better and wiser and more mature to ignore all the evidence and say "She's an adult, everything that happens to her is her fault, she doesn't have any mental abnormalities, she's just an attention seeking whore who can't be bothered getting her kids back"?


What evidence? The fuck? There's no evidence except what we see! And what we see (the people with their eyes open anyway) is a mother of two who'd rather be visiting gas stations and fucking paparazzis than going to court to fight for her children.

Hmm, I feel like I'm repeating myself. You keep on ignoring the reasons why my attitude towards Britney got like this in the first place - her actions.

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written by Karen, January 30, 2008
Maybe I should take a moment to remind you that this is a pro-Britney site! We make no apology for that because that is what it was meant to be! The world doesn't need any more anti-Britney sites when we have Perez Hilton, the celeb weekly mags and the tabloids all intent on trashing her every move.

I'm a member of a couple of forums and the attitude in them is far from sheep-like. The prevailing attitude is snide, abusive, rude, cynical, smartass. Pretty much like you, actually. I think you should leave BritneyBoards and move in somewhere else among the anti-Britney sheep.

There is increasing evidence every day that Britney suffers from a mental illness AND that she's already begun to get help for it. Multiple sources are reporting it. Even TMZ - not exactly known for having pro-Britney views. If you insist on denying it, it just makes you look perverse, bitter and somewhat dumb.
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written by Stardom, January 31, 2008
Quote me where I ever denied she's now getting help. And seriously, Sam was the one who said she's getting help. There've been no pictures of her traveling to a pysch's place or anything of the sort - only Sam's word. Who's to say Britney didn't just see a tabloid heading (she's walked past a lot in the last few days) that said "Britney's insane!" and thought *in British accent* "Oh tally ho Sam tell those monkeyys I'm seeking help, do say!"

She's NOW also gone on a joyride without sleeping for days and arguing in public with both Sam and Adnan, she got out of her car making weird "uuhhh" noises and saying she was "dizzy", her mother was there for an instant and seems to be gone already. The only slight good news is she seems to be rehearsing for something - but knowing her she'll get bored of it a week before its due to be performed or released and we'll get "HOT AS ICE VIDEO - THE HOOKER ON THE CORNER VERSION!"

You know, like Gimme More turned out to be.

Oh but you LOVE the Gimme More video don't you? It's SEXY seeing a mother of two hump a pole for four minutes isn't it? It's fun to watch a young woman sell every last shred of her class, previous hard work and dignity for a quick buck to go get starbucks and pink wigs.

Yes, Britney worked so hard as a child/teen she melted her entire brain. And now all that amazing hard work she did is slowly melting away too. I bet somewhere in a dark corner, little 8 year old Britney and 18 year old Britney are crying together, wondering what went wrong. And especially wanting to cry and shake the people like you who stand there saying "But...there's nothing wrong with her?!!! What a sweet girl!"

You're worse than "haters". You act like nothings wrong, you ignore it, you avoid it (that's 4 posts now you've ignored my points about her lack of love for her children), you make excuses for it, you blame others for it - the list goes on.

A positive Britney site would RECOGNISE her problems. A positive Britney site wouldn't go "Oh well um gee ok uhh i think she thought she had the kids for longer because she went to her depo annnnd umm...anyone would look like a crazy woman when being taken to hospital and...the media sucks...annnnd...so does Kevin annnd...yeah that's about it really..oh and the shaving head had CULTURAL MEANING Y'ALL!!!"

And with some wannabe pseudo intellectual words and sentences sprinkled in for good, but transparent, measure.

Britney's life is full of enablers, you and this site are one of them. You make other Britney sheep BELIEVE there's nothing wrong with her and that anything she does is because of this, that and the other when NO, ITS NOT. SHE makes the decisions, it ends THERE. Sometimes there's no way around it...sometimes people, even the most fascinating mega star of her generation, make bad choices. Sometimes they are bitches in real life. Sometimes, they actually GET what's coming to them.
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written by Stardom, January 31, 2008
Part Two :


You exploit young teens for money, you cheat on your loving boyfriend, you rely on sly slutty sexuality (aimed at children no less!) to sell your average records...karma's gonna getcha.

And part of that sweet, sweet karma has been for some Britney fans, who spent their own money on her, to truly realise what a bitch this young manipulator can be. That way they won't waste another cent on someone who cares more about themselves than anyone else. And you further prove how often you don't visit BB because while the majority of fans there are more bitter and feeling used than ever - there are still a good amount of morons on there who act like nothing she does is wrong. You don't READ the site so therefore you don't see it.

Think about it - even when she expressed the want for children, it was all about what it was gonna do for HER. Not that she wanted the CHILD as much. Her mom was a young mom, Madonna got her obsessed with marriage and she'd marked off 23 as The Mother Age. I never heard her say anything about a child or the connection she has with kids or that she loves being around them. She just "wanted one". Simple. And now, now that it needs taking care of and boring shit like that, she don't care. Meh. Got better things to do. Like get pregnant with some other dude living off her stupid mistakes. Because she has an amazing "maternal instinct" apparently...too bad the amazing maternal instinct doesn't work when she's heading away from the courtroom where she could, you know, fight for her kids back and impress them with that amazing maternal instinct. It's maternal instinct, bitch. The new fragrance out in 2033 only in the UK because that's where I'm from, listen!

I've said this many times before on BB, once Britney starts being admirable and positive and not some freakshow joke, I'll start being a fan (again, since she was somewhat admirable once for her work ethic).

I don't even see how you'd WANT to run a "positive" website for someone who is surrounded by every possibly negative thing there is in life - drink, drugs (YES), strange men, mental instability, the press, sex, court cases, joyrides.

She's the embodiment of "negativity" right now and yet you're STILL acting like everything is happening TO the Oops girl, not BECAUSE of the Chaotic girl.
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written by Karen, February 01, 2008
You claimed that her mental illness was pretty much a fictitious excuse invented by her fans. You still claim that reports of her receiving treatment are probably fictitious too - even while she's in hospital, with her presence there attested to by every available authority including lawyers and police. How you can even attempt to maintain your pretence at intellectual superiority over..... well ANYONE really, while continuing to weave a ridiculous conspiracy theory is just beyond me.

I can see no value in promoting a "let's just be honest and call her a worthless, talentless, hateful bitch" agenda. That's pretty much like announcing that there's nothing more to be said about her. Discussion over. Anybody who disagress is mentally subnormal.

Such incredible, delusional arrogance! Even YOU apparently feel a compulsion to talk about her, albeit negatively. And I fail to see why we, the "retarded" ones, should not continue to talk about her as we see fit in our own deluded little bubble.

You go on and on and ON and freaking ONNNNN about the custody issue as if everything in her head was perfectly normal. Oh of course, that's right! You think it's all a huge conspiracy by Britney and all that's wrong with her is that she refuses to act normal.

I love how you, the haters, make such imaginative assumptions about everyone who isn't a hater. Like all that rubbish about the "Gimme More" video.

It would interest me to know where you get the arrogance to talk about "wannabe pseudo intellectual" whatever. I AM an intellectual, honey. I have a higher level degree, plus a separate degree in another subject, and I'm a trained academic writer. You needn't try to be condescending with me. I perceive that you have a higher estimation of your own intelligence than you have of mine but I fail to see that a penchant for cynicism and an addiction to conspiracy theories constitutes any kind of warrant for that.
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written by Stardom, February 02, 2008
You claimed that her mental illness was pretty much a fictitious excuse invented by her fans. You still claim that reports of her receiving treatment are probably fictitious too - even while she's in hospital, with her presence there attested to by every available authority including lawyers and police. How you can even attempt to maintain your pretence at intellectual superiority over..... well ANYONE really, while continuing to weave a ridiculous conspiracy theory is just beyond me.


That's probably to do with the fact that I wrote my response BEFORE she checked into hospital. At the time of writing my response, she was driving aimlessly around Hollywood, reportedly without sleep for 4 days, having screaming arguments in public with Osama.

I'm absolutely OVER THE MOON she's finally and willingly gone to a psychiatric hospital and that her parents now have a restraining order against Osama. It's a dream come true after all these trashy years of disappointment and embarrassment. Each day she does something right will make me more proud to be a fan.

I can see no value in promoting a "let's just be honest and call her a worthless, talentless, hateful bitch" agenda. That's pretty much like announcing that there's nothing more to be said about her. Discussion over. Anybody who disagress is mentally subnormal.


Of course there's stuff to discuss. But it's not all fluffy "she's just misunderstood" shit like you make it out to be. These are SERIOUS mental problems that have caused her to LOSE HER CHILDREN, a fact you continually ignore or just lightly touch on. Because that would mean admitting your megastar isn't so...mega at everything. You have a rose tinted view of Spears whether you care to admit it or not.

Such incredible, delusional arrogance! Even YOU apparently feel a compulsion to talk about her, albeit negatively. And I fail to see why we, the "retarded" ones, should not continue to talk about her as we see fit in our own deluded little bubble.


Well, if you're happy in your bubble, fine. Just don't act so shocked when you find you're the only ones in there though. Don't act so shocked at the way the rest of the world reacts when Britney next does something questionable. Just remind yourself that she's a "sweet girl" and that she's not responsible for anything she does because she's a singer and the media sucks.

You go on and on and ON and freaking ONNNNN about the custody issue as if everything in her head was perfectly normal. Oh of course, that's right! You think it's all a huge conspiracy by Britney and all that's wrong with her is that she refuses to act normal.


The way you DON'T go on about it is way more disturbing. She's been deemed an unfit mother and you're still making some of the worst excuses ever like "She thought she could take them hostage because she went to her depo, so then the mean old police strapped her down, how preposterous!" What the hell?! Can't you see how dumb you sound? I'm pretty sure you're an adult but seriously, your theories/excuses/explanations make you sound like a huffy 13 year old, angry that everyone hates "her" pop star. Build a bridge!




P.S : Is it possible to make the word limit on here higher? I keep having to make two posts.
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written by Stardom, February 02, 2008
I love how you, the haters, make such imaginative assumptions about everyone who isn't a hater. Like all that rubbish about the "Gimme More" video.


Well, I'm not the one with a collage of it playing on the side of my website. Even though the Piece Of Me video has since come out and Britney looks 50 million times better in that video.

And it's kinda hard not to be a "hater" with the Gimme More video doing the rounds. Got all these people coming up to me going "Uh..well I saw Britney's new video...wow..um...she looks...confused...the video was...um...yeah..". Makes me so proud and makes me look so good being a fan of her.

It would interest me to know where you get the arrogance to talk about "wannabe pseudo intellectual" whatever. I AM an intellectual, honey. I have a higher level degree, plus a separate degree in another subject, and I'm a trained academic writer. You needn't try to be condescending with me. I perceive that you have a higher estimation of your own intelligence than you have of mine but I fail to see that a penchant for cynicism and an addiction to conspiracy theories constitutes any kind of warrant for that.


Well, it'd be nice to see someone so stupefying intelligent actually use their intelligence for something other than a burnt out pop star gone wild. Seems like a waste of brains to me. No ones gonna believe you're a trained writer with degrees when you have an entire website dedicated to having a rose tinted view of a pop star. That's just the way it is. And it's a damn shame.

You're a good writer, surely there's other things to write about? I say, write about Britney when she's back to normal. When she's actually making an effort again. Right now, we owe her nothing because she's given us next to nothing. Yes, I'm happy with Blackout, it's a fine effort. But amongst everything else, it's like receiving half a Christmas card in the mail 7 months too late.
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written by Karen, February 02, 2008
You're jumping to conclusions again. I don't own this site, I didn't design it, and the GM video was not put there by me. The site owner and designer is Jason, and if you have objections to anything about the homepage or the site in general (eg. the word limit) you should address them to him. He tells me he's planning major changes some time soon, so you could put your suggestions into the mix. I'm just one of three writers here. For all my indolence I still happen to be the most active of the three. Note too that Guest Contributions are welcomed, so if you care to put an article together stating another point of view, I'm sure Jason would be happy to receive it.

I spend plenty of time on technical writing as it is, and I only do this as an occasional recreation. This was the first full-length Britney article for at least a year, so you can't really say I'm wasting my life here! When the spirit moves me I also write reviews of albums and live performances by other artists. Don't assume that I don't like other artists or kinds of music. My favorite kinds of music are classical vocal and choral, modern jazz and soul/R&B.

I'm still trying to figure out why you think I have in some way underestimated Britney's mental problems. At first you said I used them as an "excuse" for her behavior, now you say I ignore them! Which is it to be? I first mentioned the odd and disconnected way her mind works almost 3 years ago, when nobody else was talking about it, and I've also referred long ago to her damagingly low self-esteem and death fantasies.

You seem to have a serious hang up over the description I gave of her first forcible hospitalisation. That was a reaction to the media inventions, falsehoods and general hysteria that followed. You seem to want to believe all the most extreme accounts, presumably because they back up your negative viewpoint. I don't doubt that if the News Of The World said she ate three babies on the way to hospital you'd be seeing blood on her chin. But that's no reason why EVERYONE has to believe all that over-dramatised hater-fic storytelling.

Some proportion of your comments comes over as logical, but you just can't resist "going off on one" almost every time and indulging yourself in sarcastic and condescending personal attacks on me. I would appreciate it very much if you could strip your comments of the bombast, bluster and rhetoric and let us see in stark relief exactly what your manifesto is, now and for the future.

If I wanted to follow your advice, it wouldn't be easy because it's so inconsistent. One minute you're saying there's serious stuff to discuss, the next minute you're saying I should write about something else because she doesn't deserve to be written about. Again I ask - which is it to be? I note that you're still here, and no doubt still telling everybody at BritneyBoards how they ought to be feeling and what they ought to believe. Do you intend only to retire from the fray when you've managed to bully everybody else into silence?

I am a member of BritneyBoards, by the way. I just don't find the curious counterpoint of would-be "intellectually superior" scorn against lame-brained inarticulacy particularly appealing and I can't see any significant attraction in going there and being lumped in with the lame-brainers by people like your very good self.
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written by Stardom, February 04, 2008
I'm still trying to figure out why you think I have in some way underestimated Britney's mental problems. At first you said I used them as an "excuse" for her behavior, now you say I ignore them! Which is it to be? I first mentioned the odd and disconnected way her mind works almost 3 years ago, when nobody else was talking about it, and I've also referred long ago to her damagingly low self-esteem and death fantasies.


It seems to me like fans use whatever suits them in terms of making excuses, ignoring facts or changing events around to suit them. I noticed some of those things on here often.

You seem to have a serious hang up over the description I gave of her first forcible hospitalisation. That was a reaction to the media inventions, falsehoods and general hysteria that followed. You seem to want to believe all the most extreme accounts, presumably because they back up your negative viewpoint. I don't doubt that if the News Of The World said she ate three babies on the way to hospital you'd be seeing blood on her chin. But that's no reason why EVERYONE has to believe all that over-dramatised hater-fic storytelling.


Ok, you're branding me with the scum that hangs around in Perez Hilton's comment section. THEY see what they want to see. It took me YEARS to see things Britney did in a negative view. I love her and I would still, even now, jump at the chance to befriend her, work for her, support her - anything.

But geez. At some stage in the last 2 years, every fan has had to stop and really LOOK at just what has gone on and what we're seeing. And what I saw that night was a girl gone mad. Completely snapped. Then I saw her wallow further in her madness by breaking outta there as fast as she could to get back to her routine. I can't keep defending someone who does that. I'm very proud lately that she finally seems to be determined to get help in a real facility not stupid "rehab". With her parents by her side and Sam out of the picture, being a Britney fan is suddenly easier than it has been in the last 4 years!

I don't know how you expected me to not believe extreme reports when being strapped down to a stretcher crying one minute, smiling the next IS an extreme situation! I don't know how you can think it wasn't extreme. What does she have to do for you to take real notice?

Some proportion of your comments comes over as logical, but you just can't resist "going off on one" almost every time and indulging yourself in sarcastic and condescending personal attacks on me. I would appreciate it very much if you could strip your comments of the bombast, bluster and rhetoric and let us see in stark relief exactly what your manifesto is, now and for the future.


Fine, but I feel like a broken record sometimes stating the facts. Sometimes a bit of sarcasm helps the point home a little more.


If I wanted to follow your advice, it wouldn't be easy because it's so inconsistent. One minute you're saying there's serious stuff to discuss, the next minute you're saying I should write about something else because she doesn't deserve to be written about. Again I ask - which is it to be?


Write about Britney if you want but if you're going to write about her NOW and how she is NOW, why wouldn't you write about the serious stuff? Her whole life is serious now. She's not some fluffy little pop princess anymore. And I feel like this website was treating her like that. She doesn't deserve to be written about in THOSE terms because she stopped being that years ago.

I am a member of BritneyBoards, by the way. I just don't find the curious counterpoint of would-be "intellectually superior" scorn against lame-brained inarticulacy particularly appealing and I can't see any significant attraction in going there and being lumped in with the lame-brainers by people like your very good self.


Go there for news. It's the most efficient place for news and it's a lot easier to sort fact from fiction there than any other website.
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written by Karen, February 05, 2008
You should perhaps note that a lot of the material on this site is historic. It wasn't written in the "post-Britney-apocalypse" period and therefore belongs to a more optimistic, cheerful time. I haven't had the time to write updates on everything, and I think that to leave a historic record of what it felt like to be a fan back in those days is a valid enterprise anyway. Anyone wanting to do some research into the curious phenomenon that is or was Britney Spears (and I'm sure plenty of people will, at some point) needs to know what our preoccupations, pleasures, concerns and reservations were at various stages of her career. Don't you agree?

I feel that most of what I've written in the last year or two has been sufficiently doom-laden and tear-stained to satisfy the majority of her disillusioned observers. I have to record once again my objection to your use of the word "excuses" when "explanations" would be a more value-neutral term. To assume that you know that people don't want explanations but just want to make excuses is to arrogate (or "abrogate") our right to know and to decide for ourselves what we want. And you wouldn't want anyone to think you were arrogant, surely?
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written by Stardom, February 05, 2008
The blog is recent. Anyway, i'm getting sick of arguing endlessly on here. Your most recent "intervention" article was great and refreshingly unbiased.

With Britney's life already looking up, I'm in a better mood regarding her and her actions (especially since it seems like that Osama man was controlling her with drugs).
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written by Karen, February 05, 2008
I've noticed a new attitude among a lot of her fans lately, now that they realise her behavior in relation to custody could have been affected by Sam's drugs, the phones all being out of action, and his giving her wrong or misleading information about dates and times. It looks like he was using the whole custody issue as his primary means of controlling and manipulating her.
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written by Stardom, February 07, 2008
I agree with that. Sam's a douche and i'm surprised he can't get arrested for this kind of behaviour. But at the same time, she let him into her life. She allowed him to live with her and obviously (once again) became trusting way too soon.

Eventually, it would be impossible to blame all of her behaviour on her entirely but again, she needs to slow down and really LOOK at the people in her life and decide if they're good for her or not. She needs to learn to take her time. I stand by my theory that if she had spent maybe a year or two dating Kevin, instead of rushing into marriage, we would've at least avoided some of these problems (even if it was that Sean and Jayden were never born).

But the ever bipolar Britney NEEDED to be married and pregnant by 23.

I don't know what she saw in Sam exactly but what's the bet it's something to do with "I need men in my life".
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written by Karen, February 14, 2008
I don't think anybody has yet suggested that Sam is or was her lover, or that he was there to satisfy her primeval needs. If Sam is a confidence trickster, or a parasite who likes to make his living off of people, he would be skilled at manipulating an unwary, too-trusting or vulnerable person into believing that he or she couldn't live without what he had to offer. Even people in reasonable command of themselves can be suckered. I once witnessed my Dad buying a $20 CD player for $50 at a fake auction when he already had two of them at home.
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written by Stardom, February 16, 2008
I don't think anybody has yet suggested that Sam is or was her lover, or that he was there to satisfy her primeval needs.


Uh...that's not what I meant either...

It's not always sex she needs, but she always needs men.

Even Blackout, as good as it is, is all about needing validation via men. There's not one track on there where Britney loves herself for who she is. She needs to be considered hot and sexy by the men around her. Sad but true. I'm sure having Sam around made her feel more secure. And once again, it all went so wrong because she goes so fast.

I once witnessed my Dad buying a $20 CD player for $50 at a fake auction when he already had two of them at home.


That's quite a bit different from letting some random friend of a friend live with you after X amount of months simply because you don't like to be alone.

An overpriced CD player doesn't drug you or trap you and your mother in your own house.
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written by Karen, March 02, 2008
I agree that Britney seems to need validation of her worth by men. I was in the same position myself for a long time - however, I won't go into that. But weren't most of the tracks on "Blackout" written by other people? If she could have kept her concentration and focus long enough to write all the songs for a genuinely personal album, who knows what strange places it would have taken us.
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